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:: Logic re: "Pretenders": people who ''claimed'' the throne or seized it without recognition from the official authority. Both Evann (declared by a foreign power) and 7misun ("given" throne by someone with no authority to delegate that) fall under that category. Misun qualifies as a pretender despite having ''de-facto'' control over Richland Lakes because this page is about the ''royal law'', not the ''de-facto'' political situation, and as an unrecognized royal, he fits that category. And no, imperator has made many, many bad-faith edits and false or exaggerated claims about me and others on this wiki, e.g. claiming the aurum v astonia conflict was provoked by "astonian militarism" when that is objectively false, claiming astonia was a "haven for adinan monarchist radicals" which is laughable, and claiming that Arlington (also my nation) destroyed his house way, WAY back on First Light. - [[User:MrJoCrafter|MrJoCrafter]] [[User talk:MrJoCrafter|(talk)]] 21:00, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
::: "pretender" still has a negative connotation and should be avoided per WP:NPOV (see in particular "Words to watch"). [[User:Tybug|Tybug]] ([[User talk:Tybug|talk]]) 22:43, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
::::Foremostly I would like to address the specific allegations of false or exaggerated claims against me, this being the appropriate forum for doing so. The claim that I made the assertion that the Aurum-Astonia conflict was caused by "astonian militarism" is not borne out by the edit history of [[Adinan History]]. As of the 4th of March 2021, before you had made any amendments to the page, the only usage of the word "militarism" is stating the reason that the Astonian Treaty was signed- the original wording being that it "would be signed to contain the blatant militarism of the Astonian Emperor SinjoroJoCrafter." I believe this is an accurate paraphrasing of the reasoning given within the document itself (describing [[SinjoroJoCrafter]] as a "lit fuse that would go off at any second - if not kept in check"). It accurately portrays the intention of the parties to the treaty. However even if the use of "blatant" were to be construed as a non-neutral phrase in the article, its usage would nonetheless be borne out by the facts. Astonia had been party to very many conflicts during its existence that are attested to on the wiki- such as the secession from Adina, second war with Adina, pearl-on-sighting the entirety of SPQR, the fact that a tribunal in Icenia convicted for a killing based on denying Astonian titles within Icenian borders (can be verified through their discord but for brevity I have attached the verdict and some of the evidence<ref>https://imgur.com/a/DWpLfYv</ref>). It is a reasonable exercise to determine that this does not constitute the general norm within nations and ergo the finding that it was militaristic is justified both in terms of explaining the reasoning of the parties to the Astonian Treaty but also in describing conduct which to an observer could fairly reasonable come within the bracket of militarism. In so far as the word blatant goes, it is also the case that the actions prior were conducted "without any attempt at concealment; completely obvious"<ref>
:::::The changes made by [[Royal House of Astonia/Sandbox]] should be implemented; as tybug suggested i have changed "pretenders" to "unrecognized members", and "illegitimate auction" to "unrecognized auction", but this page '''must''' convey that the auction undertaken by Adinan authorities was not legitimate ''in the eyes of the Royal Law'', because that's what this page was about. The mention of the auction in [[Adina]] is unchanged because Adina really did partake an auction, despite having the consent of no native astonian authorities. However, for this page only the official opinion of the Royal House matters, and that's why the auction is described as "unrecognized"; that's why 7misun is in the "unrecognized members" category. - [[User:MrJoCrafter|MrJoCrafter]] [[User talk:MrJoCrafter|(talk)]] 22:57, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
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