Talk:Royal House of Astonia: Difference between revisions

: "Astonia is moving, its '''lands''' now belong to Adina." As this is a page about the '''royal house''' of Astonia, and not the ''nation'' of [[Astonia]], this declaration of surrender does not apply. "there is no reason to believe Adina's action of putting it to auction was illegitimate under Adinan law" this is a page about '''Astonian''' tradition and royal law though. Adinan law doesn't apply. I at no point stated that imperator nor any adinan had any right to the '''throne''', only the '''physical land itself'''. Also, removing "(Icenian/Bloomean/Adinan Occupying Regime)" from 7misun is also just inaccurate. In addition, validity of claims on this page should not be considered for Imperator, as he has a [[Orthodoxy|long history]] [[Adinan History|on this wiki]] of lying about my nations in general and me in particular. - [[User:MrJoCrafter|MrJoCrafter]] [[User talk:MrJoCrafter|(talk)]] 20:29, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

:: 7minsun was the owner of the lands of Astonia in CC, and even if he had no rights to the 'throne' and the explanation of the means of coming to "power" are proven then no action is necessary. If anything, 7minsun as the de facto "king" of the land as in general. If you disregard anyone who rules over a land who is generally not the king, then you could basically erase [[w:Oliver Cromwell]] from history. I would also warn against using the term "Pretenders" as that gives a negative tone; a better term could be "Rulers of Non-Lineage" or something. While this is about the Royal House of Astonia, the Astonian tradition should definitely consider people who ruled over lands that *were* Astonia's, as that could factor into your culture, as if lands were critical to your culture in the first place. If you really care enough about 7minsun's nationality, that can be readded, it's essentially saying somebody like [[w:George I]] was the ruler of England despite the fact being from Hanover. Finally, Imperator has generally been giving good and valid edits and (as he wishes) replies to this thread with **good-natured** counterarguments; I assure you he's editing in good faith, and you should do the same with a more congenial tone. This action wasn't vandalism and instead of outright deleting you should contact the parties in question should you disagree before mindlessly editing a page. [[User:Specificlanguage|Specificlanguage]] ([[User talk:Specificlanguage|talk]]) 20:48, 9 January 2022 (UTC) <blockquote>Logic re: "Pretenders": people who ''claimed'' the throne or seized it without recognition from the official authority. Both Evann (declared by a foreign power) and 7misun ("given" throne by someone with no authority to delegate that) fall under that category. Misun qualifies as a pretender despite having ''de-facto'' control over Richland Lakes because this page is about the ''royal law'', not the ''de-facto'' political situation, and as an unrecognized royal, he fits that category. And no, imperator has made many, many bad-faith edits and false or exaggerated claims about me and others on this wiki, e.g. claiming the aurum v astonia conflict was provoked by "astonian militarism" when that is objectively false, claiming astonia was a "haven for adinan monarchist radicals" which is laughable, and claiming that Arlington (also my nation) destroyed his house way, WAY back on First Light. - [[User:MrJoCrafter|MrJoCrafter]] [[User talk:MrJoCrafter|(talk)]] 21:00, 9 January 2022 (UTC)</blockquote>