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=Backstory of events pre-Acadia=
=Backstory of events pre-Acadia=
{{Main|Paris Commune-Norlund Conflict}}
{{Main|Paris Commune-Norlund Conflict}}
In late July 2021, the player [[RainOfPain125]] from [[CivRealms]] and [[CivUniverse]] started playing on [[CivClassics]], choosing to settle close to the north of Acadia with a group of newfriends and establishing '''The No State Commune'''.<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/civclassics/comments/op7cyu/hereby_declaring_the_no_state_commune_tnsc_now/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Public Declaration of The No State Commune on r/CivClassics]</ref> This immediately resulted in an uncomfortable situation for Acadia as due to previous events on CivRealms prominent members of Acadia including [[Cortwade]] and [[JuniorTide]] held bad blood with Rain, the two of whom TNSC considered to be "violent anti-communists".<ref>[https://i.imgur.com/9ifd3Zc.png Public Diplomacy Stances of TNSC, specifically their stance on Acadia. Warning: This stance was updated after Acadia and others tried to destroy TNSC, and thus it calls them shitters and imperialists. Before this, it did not have the "Acadia has directly attacked.." section, or the section at the end naming hostile users]</ref>
In late July 2021, the player [[RainOfPain125]] from [[CivRealms]] and [[CivUniverse]] started playing on [[CivClassics]], choosing to settle close to the north of Acadia with a group of newfriends and establishing '''The No State Commune'''.<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/civclassics/comments/op7cyu/hereby_declaring_the_no_state_commune_tnsc_now/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Public Declaration of The No State Commune on r/CivClassics]</ref> This immediately resulted in an uncomfortable situation for Acadia because of previous events on CivRealms with prominent members of Acadia including [[Cortwade]] and [[JuniorTide]] having past drama with Rain, the two of whom TNSC considered to be "violent anti-communists".<ref>[https://i.imgur.com/9ifd3Zc.png Public Diplomacy Stances of TNSC, specifically their stance on Acadia. Warning: This stance was updated after Acadia and others tried to destroy TNSC, and thus it calls them shitters and imperialists. Before this, it did not have the "Acadia has directly attacked.." section, or the section at the end naming hostile users]</ref>
=Events leading up to conflict=
=Events leading up to conflict=
Despite the way lots of Acadian government members treated Rain formerly in Norlund, peace and co-existence was always the most clear and obvious option for all members of TNSC.<ref>[https://i.imgur.com/9ifd3Zc.png Public Diplomacy Stances of TNSC (again)]</ref> Acadia claims they had the same idea, that they initially meant to settle for an "uncomfortable peace".{{Citation needed}} And yet conflict between the two nations started from the very beginning, despite their best intentions.
Despite the way lots of Acadian government members treated Rain formerly in Norlund, détente was always the most clear and obvious option for all members of TNSC.<ref>[https://i.imgur.com/9ifd3Zc.png Public Diplomacy Stances of TNSC (again)]</ref> Acadia claims they had the same idea, that they initially meant to settle for an uncomfortable peace.{{Citation needed}} Conflict between the two nations started from the very beginning, despite their best intentions.
===JuniorTide's house "griefed" with signs===
===JuniorTide's house covered with signs===
JuniorTide reported and provided a screenshot of one of his Acadian homes sporting signs on the front such as "NORTH KOREA BEST KOREA" and other kinds of left-leaning statements. With no evidence, he accused Rain as the one who made them. Rain fired back reminding JuniorTide that he was an [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism Anarchist] and is against the North Korean dictatorship. On top of this, Rain had only very recently joined CivClassics and was still in the [[+,+ (CivClassic 2.0)|+,+]] territory, which was nowhere near JuniorTide's home. Despite having no evidence to support his claim that Rain put signs around his home, he publicly threatened to "glass" him<ref>[https://i.imgur.com/niGa5xO.png JuniorTide, citizen of Acadia and Icenia, threatening to "glass" people]</ref> which came off as extremely aggressive to TNSC.
JuniorTide reported and provided a screenshot of one of his Acadian homes sporting signs on the front such as "NORTH KOREA BEST KOREA" and other kinds of left-leaning statements. He accused Rain as the one who made them. Rain replied reminding JuniorTide that he was an [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism Anarchist] and is against the North Korean dictatorship. On top of this, Rain had only very recently joined CivClassics and was still in the [[+,+ (CivClassic 2.0)|+,+]] territory, which was nowhere near JuniorTide's home. Despite having no evidence to support his claim that Rain put signs around his home, he publicly threatened to "glass" him<ref>[https://i.imgur.com/niGa5xO.png JuniorTide, citizen of Acadia and Icenia, threatening to "glass" people]</ref> which came off as extremely aggressive to TNSC.
===Pentigrass-Icenia incident===
===Pentigrass-Icenia incident===
At some point a new user joined CivClassics named [[Pentigrass]], he was invited by Rain and was new to the Civ genre. He was told multiple times to treat people kindly and to not raid or steal anything along his journey to TNSC land. Despite these warnings he started to break into things until he was caught and pearled in [[Icenia]].
At some point a new user joined CivClassics named Pentigrass, he was invited by Rain and was new to the Civ genre. It's claimed he was told multiple times to treat people kindly and to not raid or steal anything along his journey to TNSC land. Despite these alleged warnings he started to break into things until he was caught and pearled in [[Icenia]].


Frustrated with himself and being pearled, he tried to lie and claim that Rain ordered him to raid and steal to support TNSC, believing that if he blamed Rain it would give him a "lighter sentence". He would later admit directly to Rain about how he lied to throw Rain under the bus.<ref>[https://i.imgur.com/dBoiE77.png Pentigrass admitting that he lied about Rain telling him to raid other people's property]</ref> Despite Pentigrass admitting his own wrong doing, many who opposed Rain stuck with this new false narrative that Rain was out to incite violence and raiding among the community. With this narrative members in Acadia and other nations tried to run with the rumors and make Rain out to be an enemy that needs to be dealt with.
Frustrated with himself and being pearled, he claimed that Rain ordered him to raid and steal to support TNSC, believing that if he blamed Rain it would give him a "lighter sentence". He would later admit directly to Rain about how he lied to throw Rain under the bus.<ref>[https://i.imgur.com/dBoiE77.png Pentigrass admitting that he lied about Rain telling him to raid other people's property]</ref> Despite Pentigrass admitting his own wrong doing, many who opposed Rain stuck with Rain inciting violence and raiding among the community. With this belief, members in Acadia and other nations believed that Rain was an enemy that needed to be dealt with.
===hawkeye0066-Acadia incident===
===hawkeye0066-Acadia incident===
This idea of Rain being a nefarious untrustworthy malicious raider was further propagandized when another member of TNSC who was new to Civ, [[hawkeye0066]], against TNSC warnings decided to start raiding and stealing things in Acadia just like Pentigrass. He was caught, and was told by TNSC to return what he stole and turn himself in, which he did. This situation was almost immediately resolved with hawkeye being quickly released after his apology and return of items. In fact people in Acadia offered him a house and citizenship.
This idea of Rain being a nefarious untrustworthy malicious raider was further propagandized when another member of TNSC who was new to Civ, [[hawkeye0066]], against TNSC warnings decided to start raiding and stealing things in Acadia just like Pentigrass. He was caught, and was told by TNSC to return what he stole and turn himself in, which he did. This situation was almost immediately resolved with hawkeye being quickly released after his apology and return of items. In fact people in Acadia offered him a house and citizenship.
===Rain's Mining Trip===
===Rain's Mining Trip===
On July 27th, 2021 Rain was mining for ore underground at bedrock level when he stumbled across mines that other players had already dug out. However, these users seemed to only be interested in diamonds because they had left all other ores - iron, redstone, lapis - ores which TNSC required. While mining along these pathways he came across an underground bunker, walking around inspecting it to find a sign of ownership until [[Egi]] logged on. Egi seemed concerned at first, but seemed more peaceful as he advised Rain that he was in Acadia territory, demanding that he leaves and mines elsewhere, orders which Rain followed.
On July 27th, 2021 Rain was mining for ore underground at bedrock level when he stumbled across mines that other players had already dug out. However, the users seemed to only be interested in diamonds because they had left all other ores - iron, redstone, lapis - ores which TNSC required. While mining along these pathways he came across an underground bunker, walking around inspecting it to find a sign of ownership until [[Egi]] logged on. Egi seemed concerned at first, but seemed more peaceful as he reminded Rain that he was in Acadia territory, demanding that he leave and mine elsewhere, orders which Rain followed.
="the First TNSC Crisis" Acadia Raids TNSC's Bunker=
=First TNSC Crisis Acadia Raids TNSC's Bunker=
{{Infobox military conflict
{{Infobox military conflict
| conflict = Acadia Raiding Party
| conflict = Acadia Raiding Party
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| date = July 28th, 2022
| date = July 28th, 2022
| place = [[The No State Commune]] Bunker
| place = [[The No State Commune]] Bunker
| result = Successful plunder of TNSC
| result = Raiding Party Successful
| combatant1 = [[The No State Commune]]
| combatant1 = [[The No State Commune]]
| combatant2 = [[Acadia]],<br/>[[Icenia]] (JuniorTide)
| combatant2 = [[Acadia]],<br/>[[Icenia]] (JuniorTide)
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| commander2 = [[Egi]]
| commander2 = [[Egi]]
| casualties1 = Mass-griefing, mass-theft
| casualties1 = Mass-griefing, mass-theft
| casualties2 = Loss of dignity
| casualties2 = Unknown
| units2 = [[Egi]]<br/>[[JuniorTide]]<br/>[[Polygondwana]]
| units2 = [[Egi]]<br/>[[JuniorTide]]<br/>[[Polygondwana]]
| units1 = Reinforced Block 1<br/>
| units1 = Reinforced Block 1<br/>
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}}
}}


By tomorrow on July 28th, 2021 when Rain logged in he found that TNSC's only bunker was completely broken into and robbed. The snitch logs implied Acadia was responsible, the members of the raiding party consisted of [[JuniorTide]] (Citizen of Acadia & Icenia), [[Egi]] (Acadian Minister of "Defense"), and [[Polygondwana]] (Poly is probably an alt). The three man raiding party completely destroyed the bunker and stole everyone's gear. Sometime after the assault TNSC players logged on and found the bunker in ruins, realizing that Acadia was responsible Rain and TNSC issued an angry international dispute to the CivClassics subreddit.<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/civclassics/comments/otfgf1/acadia_raids_the_nostate_commune_we_demand_all/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 TNSC issues international dispute against Acadia for destroying their bunker unprovoked]</ref>
By July 28th, 2021 when Rain logged in he found that TNSC's only bunker was robbed. The snitch logs implied Acadia was responsible, members of the raiding party consisted of [[JuniorTide]] (Citizen of Acadia & Icenia), [[Egi]] (Acadian Minister of "Defense"), and [[Polygondwana]] (Poly is probably an alt). The three man raiding party destroyed the bunker and stole the stockpiled gear. Sometime after the assault TNSC players logged on and found the bunker in ruins, realizing that Acadia was responsible Rain and TNSC issued an angry international dispute to the CivClassics subreddit.<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/civclassics/comments/otfgf1/acadia_raids_the_nostate_commune_we_demand_all/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 TNSC issues international dispute against Acadia for destroying their bunker unprovoked]</ref>


The raiding party received little to no consequences as a result of raiding the newfriend bunker, never being held accountable for their toxic actions. On the same day that the raid was revealed to the international community, a vote was held in Acadia against Egi for "Impeachment of Egi as Minister of Defense due to unauthorized use of force against TNSC". The vote failed with only 1 in favor, 6 against, and 2 abstaining. Icenia seemed to commit absolutely no punishment against JuniorTide, not even removing him from Icenia, or denouncing him, demoting him, etc. Polygondwana is a name nobody is familiar with, so it is assumed that they are an alt.]
The raiding party received little to no consequences as a result of raiding the newfriend bunker, never being held accountable for their toxic actions. On the same day that the raid was revealed to the international community, a vote was held in Acadia against Egi for "Impeachment of Egi as Minister of Defense due to unauthorized use of force against TNSC". The vote failed with only 1 in favor, 6 against, and 2 abstaining. Icenia seemed to commit absolutely no punishment against JuniorTide, not even removing him from Icenia, or denouncing him, demoting him, etc. Polygondwana is a name nobody is familiar with, so it is assumed that they are an alt.]
===Results===
===Results===
*200+ diamonds stolen
*+200 diamonds stolen
*150+ essence stolen
*+150 essence stolen
*10+ E4U3S1 & E4U3F3 pickaxes stolen
*+10 E4U3S1 & E4U3F3 pickaxes stolen
*Chest vault broken into, all chests in one room destroyed, all chests in center room destroyed
*Chest vault broken into, all chests in one room destroyed, all chests in center room destroyed
*Farm built over to prevent crops from growing
*Farm built over to prevent crops from growing
*Surface terrain griefed and made ugly
*Surface terrain griefed and made ugly
*Newfriends demoralized, upset
*TNSC members upset
===Acadia's Justifications===
===Acadia's Justifications===
In the aftermath Acadia started to receive international pushback due to invading TNSC unprovoked, being seen as raiding harmless newfriends for no reason provided. Acadia would later come out with an official post attempting to justify their invasion,<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/civclassics/comments/ott14t/rainofpain125_drama/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Acadia making their own statement regarding nuking TNSC's bunker]</ref><ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/civclassics/comments/ouihn0/comment/h733ybn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 The nuking of TNSC's bunker told from the perspective of an Acadian citizen]</ref> however TNSC was quick to disprove almost all of their claims.
In the aftermath Acadia would come out with an official post attempting to justify their invasion,<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/civclassics/comments/ott14t/rainofpain125_drama/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Acadia making their own statement regarding nuking TNSC's bunker]</ref><ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/civclassics/comments/ouihn0/comment/h733ybn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 The nuking of TNSC's bunker told from the perspective of an Acadian citizen]</ref> however TNSC was quick to disprove almost all of their claims.
===="Rain was breaking into our bunkers"====
===="Rain was breaking into our bunkers"====
Rain was accused of running around near the Acadian bunkers to try and bust open a vault and free someone's pearl. This claim that Rain was breaking into any bunkers or vaults is never substantiated or backed up in any capacity beyond logs of him walking past the bunker.<ref>[https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/768261044992737290/992689480739864627/unknown.png]</ref> To further prove this claim wrong Rain uploaded a video of his entire mining trip start-to-finish that brought him near the Acadian bunkers, proving to the community that he was never at any point trying to break in. The video also shows his conversation with Egi that night.<ref>[https://youtu.be/_DcDzK3x5sg Rain providing proof that he was not trying to break into Acadia's bunker(s)]</ref>
Rain was accused of running around near the Acadian bunkers to try and bust open a vault and free someone's pearl. This claim that Rain was breaking into any bunkers or vaults is never substantiated or backed up in any capacity beyond logs of him walking past the bunker.<ref>[https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/768261044992737290/992689480739864627/unknown.png]</ref> To further prove this claim wrong Rain uploaded a video of his entire mining trip start-to-finish that brought him near the Acadian bunkers, proving to the community that he was never at any point trying to break in. The video also shows his conversation with Egi that night.<ref>[https://youtu.be/_DcDzK3x5sg Rain providing proof that he was not trying to break into Acadia's bunker(s)]</ref>
===="Rain's goons were raiding everyone"====
===="Rain's goons were raiding everyone"====
It is still unclear as to why Acadia used this to justify their invasion, as both incidents of TNSC members stealing from others was handled properly and seen as resolved on all sides.
It is still unclear as to why Acadia used this to justify their invasion, as both incidents of TNSC members stealing from others were handled properly and seen as resolved on all sides.
{{Main||TNSC-Acadia Conflict#Pentigrass-Icenia incident}}
{{Main||TNSC-Acadia Conflict#Pentigrass-Icenia incident}}
{{Main||TNSC-Acadia Conflict#hawkeye0066-Acadia incident}}
{{Main||TNSC-Acadia Conflict#hawkeye0066-Acadia incident}}
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| date = July 28th, 2022
| date = July 28th, 2022
| place = [[The No State Commune]] Bunker
| place = [[The No State Commune]] Bunker
| result = Successful pushback of attacking forces
| result = TNSC Tactical Victory
| combatant1 = [[The No State Commune]]
| combatant1 = [[The No State Commune]]
| combatant2 = [[Yoahtl]],<br/>[[Vinland]],<br/>[[Southshire]]
| combatant2 = [[Yoahtl]],<br/>[[Vinland]],<br/>[[Southshire]]
| casualties1 = A few healing potions
| casualties1 = A few healing potions
| casualties2 = Massive loss of dignity. L
| casualties2 = Unknown
| units2 = [[Okx]]
| units2 = [[Okx]]
| units1 = [[Zombie_Striker]],</br>
| units1 = [[Zombie_Striker]],</br>
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{{Infobox military conflict
{{Infobox military conflict
| conflict = Shitter Raiding Party
| conflict = Bunker Raiding Party
| image =
| image =
| date = July 28th, 2022
| date = July 28th, 2022
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| commander1 = [[RainOfPain125]]
| commander1 = [[RainOfPain125]]
| commander2 = Unclear
| commander2 = Unclear
| casualties1 = Temporarily logboxxed
| casualties1 = Temporarily logboxed
| casualties2 = Loss of dignity
| casualties2 = Unknown
| units2 = [[TTastic]],<br/>[[Okx]],<br/>[[MrJeremyFarmer]]
| units2 = [[TTastic]],<br/>[[Okx]],<br/>[[MrJeremyFarmer]]
| units1 = [[RainOfPain125]],
| units1 = [[RainOfPain125]],
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}}
}}


After announcing to the international community what Acadia had done, many TNSC members did not know what to do - whether they should quit the server or move far away from Acadia and so on. Though it didn't take long for others to exploit our panic and weakness.
After announcing to the international community what Acadia had done, many TNSC members did not know what to do - whether they should quit the server or move far away from Acadia and so on. Though it didn't take long for others to take advantage of the demoralization of [[The No State Commune|TNSC]].


Later in the same day, a raiding party sponsored by an unknown organization / nation came to attack. At first [[Okx]] came to pearl Rain and Zombie, but the two of them fought hard enough to get him to retreat away from the bunker. Okx was already caught wandering around TNSC hitting snitches, and failing to provide a reason for his unannounced visit.<ref>[https://i.imgur.com/yuhGQ8t.png Okx hitting snitches two days before raiding TNSC]</ref><ref>[https://i.imgur.com/c3ftRwn.png Okx hitting way more snitches]</ref>
Later in the same day, a raiding party sponsored by an unknown organization or nation attacked. At first [[Okx]] came to pearl Rain and Zombie, but the two of them fought hard enough to get him to retreat away from the bunker. Okx was already caught wandering around TNSC hitting snitches, and failing to provide a reason for his unannounced visit.<ref>[https://i.imgur.com/yuhGQ8t.png Okx hitting snitches two days before raiding TNSC]</ref><ref>[https://i.imgur.com/c3ftRwn.png Okx hitting way more snitches]</ref>


Not long after, the full raiding party came consisting of [[TTastic]], [[Okx]] and [[MrJeremyFarmer]] with intent to pearl everyone with no reason provided. Their mission failed as Zombie, Rain, and all other members successfully evaded being pearled.
Not long after, the full raiding party came consisting of [[TTastic]], [[Okx]] and MrJeremyFarmer with intent to pearl everyone as a result of recent events. Their mission failed as Zombie, Rain and other [[The No State Commune|TNSC]] members evaded any pearling attempts.


TNSC took to the international community again on the same day, exposing them for their shitter behavior against the newfriend town.<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/civclassics/comments/oti6uk/ttastic_and_okx_shittery_raiding_newfriends/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 TNSC's brief post calling out Okx, TTastic, and MrJeremyFarmer for attacking TNSC unprovoked]</ref> After taking a break to think and breath, TNSC returned to the international community a day later on July 29th to clear things up and provide all the evidence everyone would ever need, mostly via video proof.<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/civclassics/comments/otq4rq/video_proof_against_shitters_okx_ttastic/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 TNSC providing video proof of what Acadia's raid did, proving Rain was not trying to raid Acadia's bunker, and showing the perspectives of Okx, TTastic and MrJeremyFarmer as they attacked]</ref>
TNSC took to the international community again on the same day, proclaiming the raiders to be shitters in their view.<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/civclassics/comments/oti6uk/ttastic_and_okx_shittery_raiding_newfriends/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 TNSC's brief post calling out Okx, TTastic, and MrJeremyFarmer for attacking TNSC unprovoked]</ref> After taking a break to think and breath, TNSC returned to the international community a day later on July 29th to clear things up and provide all the evidence everyone would ever need, mostly via video proof.<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/civclassics/comments/otq4rq/video_proof_against_shitters_okx_ttastic/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 TNSC providing video proof of what Acadia's raid did, proving Rain was not trying to raid Acadia's bunker, and showing the perspectives of Okx, TTastic and MrJeremyFarmer as they attacked]</ref> This post would be received negatively by the international community as a whole.


It was unclear what nations Okx, TTastic and MrJeremyFarmer belonged to, but it is clear that they were never held accountable or punished for their shitter behavior. We believed Okx was apart of [[Yoahtl]], which they claimed he sort of was and then said they weren't going to do anything to hold him accountable, nor were they going to take responsibility for his actions.
It was unclear what nations which Okx, TTastic and MrJeremyFarmer belonged to. It is believed that Okx was apart of [[Yoahtl]], which led to a small diplomatic incident between [[The No State Commune|TNSC]] and [[Yoahtl]] with Rain accusing [[Yoahtl]] of harboring raiders.
===Results ===
===Results ===
*[[UnknownKarnij]] & [[hawkeye0066]] are logboxed
*UnknownKarnij & [[hawkeye0066]] are logboxed
*Bunker secured and looted further by shitter forces
*Bunker secured and looted further by shitter forces
= Rumors & Consequences=
= Rumors & Consequences=
==="Zombie was funnelling commies into Acadia" ===
===Zombie was funneling commies into Acadia ===
Due to Rain and Zombie's friendship, and Zombie being a member of Acadia, it made her an easy target to lay blame against. Shortly after Acadia's raid on TNSC a user [[FE_Flags]] who ran the '''Workers of Acadia Party''' (WAP) accused Zombie, claiming that she created a big shadow scheme where Rain would recruit new commies into WAP in order to sway elections, and in return Rain would get diamonds or something like that. There was no evidence to support that such a deal ever occured, and Rain was never aware of any kind of deal. As far as Rain is concerned if such a deal was ever proposed, then it was never agreed upon or committed to.
Due to Rain and Zombie's friendship, and Zombie being a member of Acadia, which made her the target of accusations of foreign collusion. Shortly after Acadia's raid on TNSC a user [[FE_Flags]] who ran the '''Workers of Acadia Party''' (WAP) accused Zombie, claiming that she created a big shadow scheme where Rain would recruit new commies into WAP in order to sway elections, and in return Rain would get diamonds. Rain claims there was no evidence to support that such a deal ever occurred, and Rain claims such a deal was never proposed.


Acadian Senator Tsar Ivan, run by [[FE_Flags]], spoke with [[Zombie_Striker]] directly, in which an admission of funneling Acadian funds into the hands of [[RainOfPain125]] in exchange for recruits into Acadia which never came.<ref>[https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/768261044992737290/992692297361797170/Screenshot_20210729-200513_Discord.jpg?width=320&height=676]</ref><ref>[https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/768261044992737290/992692297080774736/Screenshot_20210729-200520_Discord.jpg?width=320&height=676]</ref><ref>[https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/768261044992737290/992692296795557918/Screenshot_20210729-200532_Discord.jpg?width=320&height=676]</ref> However the counter-argument is that the conversation was intended to expose Flags as a traitor who was willing to betray Acadia, considering that this "deal" was never acted upon and was merely discussed. This would make Zombie look like a "good commie" and could overall improve the outlook of leftism in Acadia. Bear in mind Flags was already considering leaving Acadia.
Acadian Senator Tsar Ivan, run by [[FE_Flags]], spoke with [[Zombie_Striker]] directly, in which an admission of funneling Acadian funds into the hands of [[RainOfPain125]] in exchange for recruits into Acadia which never came.<ref>[https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/768261044992737290/992692297361797170/Screenshot_20210729-200513_Discord.jpg?width=320&height=676]</ref><ref>[https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/768261044992737290/992692297080774736/Screenshot_20210729-200520_Discord.jpg?width=320&height=676]</ref><ref>[https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/768261044992737290/992692296795557918/Screenshot_20210729-200532_Discord.jpg?width=320&height=676]</ref> However the counter-argument is that the conversation was intended to expose Flags as a traitor who was willing to betray Acadia, considering that this was never acted upon and was merely discussed. This would make Zombie look like a "good commie" and could overall improve the outlook of leftism in Acadia. Bear in mind Flags was already considering leaving Acadia.
==="Zombie sabotaged Acadia"===
==="Zombie sabotaged Acadia"===
A player in Acadia{{Who}} accused Zombie of breaking a factory after the raid on TNSC's bunker, claiming it must have been an act of sabotage but they did not provide any hard evidence. TNSC joked that she should obby bomb Acadia, but of course she and the other members never intended on doing it.
A player in Acadia{{Who}} accused Zombie of breaking a factory after the raid on TNSC's bunker, claiming it must have been an act of sabotage but no hard evidence was provided. TNSC joked that the user should obby bomb Acadia, but of course she and the other members never intended on doing it.


A member of Acadia [[Bloof_]] would later go on to threaten Rain on CivMC, believing he had told Zombie to sabotage Acadia's diamond factory among other things.
A member of Acadia [[Bloof_]] would later go on to threaten Rain on CivMC, believing he had told Zombie to sabotage Acadia's diamond factory among other things.
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*Zombie_Striker quietly left CivClassics to distance herself from the drama and the rumors made against her after the two raids.
*Zombie_Striker quietly left CivClassics to distance herself from the drama and the rumors made against her after the two raids.
*RainOfPain125 ran far away and logged off, only logging on once or twice before the server was closed.
*RainOfPain125 ran far away and logged off, only logging on once or twice before the server was closed.
*TNSC renamed to Consortium to try and rebrand itself.
*TNSC was renamed to Consortium to try and rebrand itself.
*Acadia, Icenia & Yoathyl never held any of the raiders Egi, JuniorTide, Polygondwana, Okx, TTastic, or MrJeremyFarmer accountable for their actions
*Acadia, Icenia & Yoathyl never held any of the raiders Egi, JuniorTide, Polygondwana, Okx, TTastic, or MrJeremyFarmer accountable for their actions
="the Second TNSC Crisis" Acadia Pearls TNSC Members=
=Second TNSC Crisis=
{{Infobox military conflict
{{Infobox military conflict
| conflict = Acadian "Diplomatic Tour"
| conflict = Acadian "Diplomatic Tour"
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| date = September 23rd, 2022
| date = September 23rd, 2022
| place = [[The No State Commune]] Surface Town
| place = [[The No State Commune]] Surface Town
| result = Pearling of all Consortium members
| result = Acadian Victory
| combatant1 = [[The No State Commune]]
| combatant1 = [[The No State Commune]]
| combatant2 = [[Acadia]]
| combatant2 = [[Acadia]]
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{{Quote frame |quote=From [[Yoahtl]] to [[Acadia]], in every mine and mill, where working men defend their rights, it's there you'll<br/>find [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Hill_(activist) Joe Hill], it's there you'll find Joe Hill<br/>"The Copper Bosses killed you Joe, they shot you Joe” says I. “Takes more than guns to kill a man”<br/>Says Joe “I didn’t die” Says Joe “I didn’t die”<br/>And standing there as big as life and smiling with his eyes. Says Joe “What they can never kill went on<br/>to organize, went on to organize!"</br>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_Forever For the Union makes us strong!]|author=[[RainOfPain125]]'s Final Speech on CivClassics}}
{{Quote frame |quote=From [[Yoahtl]] to [[Acadia]], in every mine and mill, where working men defend their rights, it's there you'll<br/>find [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Hill_(activist) Joe Hill], it's there you'll find Joe Hill<br/>"The Copper Bosses killed you Joe, they shot you Joe” says I. “Takes more than guns to kill a man”<br/>Says Joe “I didn’t die” Says Joe “I didn’t die”<br/>And standing there as big as life and smiling with his eyes. Says Joe “What they can never kill went on<br/>to organize, went on to organize!"</br>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_Forever For the Union makes us strong!]|author=[[RainOfPain125]]'s Final Speech on CivClassics}}
Acadia was shocked by the sudden, short reappearance of Rain, whose temporary ban had apparently been finished after one month. As Acadians never knew the length of the ban, they were surprised to see Rain back again so quickly. This stirred up problems with Acadia once more, as Acadia now believed that they were hiding Rain somewhere. Egi and Tuomasz came over to Consortium for a "diplomatic tour" and to discuss the situation and the relation between Acadia and Consortium going forward. Choosing to believe Hawkeye, Acadia asked Consortium for the location of the logbox, so that they would be able to pearl him if Rainie ever logged in on his main account again.
Acadia was shocked by the sudden, short reappearance of Rain, whose temporary ban had apparently been finished after one month. As Acadians never knew the length of the ban, they were surprised to see Rain back again so quickly. This stirred up problems with Acadia once more, as Acadia now believed that they were hiding Rain somewhere. Egi and Tuomasz came over to Consortium for a "diplomatic tour" and to discuss the situation and the relation between Acadia and Consortium going forward. Choosing to believe Hawkeye, Acadia asked Consortium for the location of the logbox, so that they would be able to pearl him if Rainie ever logged in on his main account again.


They told Acadia and other nations that they did not know where he logged, and yet those nations refused to believe it. In a final attempt to save themselves, the members bluffed, saying they know the coordinates where he had logged off and would only tell them if they were compensated and things remain peaceful.
They told Acadia and other nations that they did not know where he logged, and yet those nations refused to believe it. In a final attempt to save themselves, the members bluffed, saying they know the coordinates where he had logged off and would only tell them if they were compensated and things remain peaceful.


Negotiations proved fruitless for Acadia as they were not willing to pay, so they decided to go looking for the logbox in Consortium themselves. [[Egi]], [[Ferro]], and [[JuniorTide]] conducted a search for the logbox on September 23rd. During their "diplomatic tour" the Acadians briefly pearled all Consortium citizens so that they could "continue their search". The search was unsuccessful, and another round of negotiations followed where eventually Hawkeye led Acadia to Rainie's supposed logbox. The logbox was guarded almost 24 hours a day for several days by Ferro, [[Tuomas]]z, and PMC allies [[Asuramaru|Asu]] and [[Ch1pR]], but Rain never logged in on his main account again, nor would most Consortium members who by this time had grown fully inactive due to being bullied by Acadia so much.
Negotiations proved fruitless for Acadia as they were not willing to pay, so they decided to go looking for the logbox in Consortium themselves. [[Egi]], [[Ferro]], and [[JuniorTide]] conducted a search for the logbox on September 23rd. During their "diplomatic tour" the Acadians briefly pearled all Consortium citizens so that they could "continue their search". The search was unsuccessful, and another round of negotiations followed where eventually Hawkeye led Acadia to Rainie's supposed logbox. The logbox was guarded almost 24 hours a day for several days by Ferro, [[Tuomas]]z, and PMC allies [[Asuramaru|Asu]] and [[Ch1pR]], but Rain never logged in on his main account again, nor would most Consortium members who by this time had grown fully inactive due to being chased off by Acadia.


The attention Rain's reappearance amassed on the server a discussion starting to appear around whether Rain's ban was sufficiently long enough given the seriousness of doxing. As per Rain's request, the staff team published an official statement clarifying Rain did not intend to dox or hurt anyone which is why, unlike real doxers, his ban was temporary.
The attention Rain's reappearance amassed on the server a discussion starting to appear around whether Rain's ban was sufficiently long enough given the seriousness of doxing. As per Rain's request{{Citation needed}}, the staff team published an official statement clarifying Rain didn't intend to dox or hurt anyone which is why, unlike most doxers, his ban was temporary.
{{Main|RainOfPain125#"Doxxing" a member of Acadia}}
{{Main|RainOfPain125#"Doxxing" a member of Acadia}}
Unfortunately, especially as far as public information goes, a lot of what exactly happened with Rain after the first TNSC crisis is shrouded in mystery. It is unclear whether Rain's ban was kept on one month only or as Rainie would later claim, that it was extended to three months, which would mean that he was banned again not long after his reappearance.<ref>Rainie claiming to have been banned for three months: [https://imgur.com/a/tid6ZqU link] (imgur of civwiki comparison)</ref> If his ban was not extended, it is also unclear to what extent he had been active on an alt-account during September/October which he, contradicting his other statement, claimed he was.<ref>Rainie claiming to have been playing during the 'three-month period': [https://imgur.com/a/tkMwumP link] (imgur of discord message)</ref> Neither was it ever publicly established whether Consortium had actually broken ties with Rainie as Hawkeye claimed, or whether the logbox was real or a fabrication.
Unfortunately, especially as far as public information goes, a lot of what exactly happened with Rain after the first TNSC crisis is shrouded in mystery. It is unclear whether Rain's ban was kept on one month only or as Rainie would later claim, that it was extended to three months, which would mean that he was banned again not long after his reappearance.<ref>Rainie claiming to have been banned for three months: [https://imgur.com/a/tid6ZqU link] (imgur of civwiki comparison)</ref> If his ban was not extended, it is also unclear to what extent he had been active on an alt-account during September/October which he, contradicting his other statement, claimed he was.<ref>Rainie claiming to have been playing during the 'three-month period': [https://imgur.com/a/tkMwumP link] (imgur of discord message)</ref> Neither was it ever publicly established whether Consortium had actually broken ties with Rainie as Hawkeye claimed, or whether the logbox was real or a fabrication.
=See Also=
=See Also=
{{IWW}}
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