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:: 7minsun was the owner of the lands of Astonia in CC, and even if he had no rights to the 'throne' and the explanation of the means of coming to "power" are proven then no action is necessary. If anything, 7minsun as the de facto "king" of the land as in general. If you disregard anyone who rules over a land who is generally not the king, then you could basically erase [[w:Oliver Cromwell]] from history. I would also warn against using the term "Pretenders" as that gives a negative tone; a better term could be "Rulers of Non-Lineage" or something. While this is about the Royal House of Astonia, the Astonian tradition should definitely consider people who ruled over lands that *were* Astonia's, as that could factor into your culture, as if lands were critical to your culture in the first place. If you really care enough about 7minsun's nationality, that can be readded, it's essentially saying somebody like [[w:George I]] was the ruler of England despite the fact being from Hanover. Finally, Imperator has generally been giving good and valid edits and (as he wishes) replies to this thread with **good-natured** counterarguments; I assure you he's editing in good faith, and you should do the same with a more congenial tone. This action wasn't vandalism and instead of outright deleting you should contact the parties in question should you disagree before mindlessly editing a page. [[User:Specificlanguage|Specificlanguage]] ([[User talk:Specificlanguage|talk]]) 20:48, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
:: Logic re: "Pretenders": people who ''claimed'' the throne or seized it without recognition from the official authority. Both Evann (declared by a foreign power) and 7misun ("given" throne by someone with no authority to delegate that) fall under that category. Misun qualifies as a pretender despite having ''de-facto'' control over Richland Lakes because this page is about the ''royal law'', not the ''de-facto'' political situation, and as an unrecognized royal, he fits that category. And no, imperator has made many, many bad-faith edits and false or exaggerated claims about me and others on this wiki, e.g. claiming the aurum v astonia conflict was provoked by "astonian militarism" when that is objectively false, claiming astonia was a "haven for adinan monarchist radicals" which is laughable, and claiming that Arlington (also my nation) destroyed his house way, WAY back on First Light. - [[User:MrJoCrafter|MrJoCrafter]] [[User talk:MrJoCrafter|(talk)]] 21:00, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
::: "pretender" still has a negative connotation and should be avoided per WP:NPOV (see in particular "Words to watch"). [[User:Tybug|Tybug]] ([[User talk:Tybug|talk]])
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:::::The changes made by [[Royal House of Astonia/Sandbox]] should be implemented; as tybug suggested i have changed "pretenders" to "unrecognized members", and "illegitimate auction" to "unrecognized auction", but this page '''must''' convey that the auction undertaken by Adinan authorities was not legitimate ''in the eyes of the Royal Law'', because that's what this page was about. The mention of the auction in [[Adina]] is unchanged because Adina really did partake an auction, despite having the consent of no native astonian authorities. However, for this page only the official opinion of the Royal House matters, and that's why the auction is described as "unrecognized"; that's why 7misun is in the "unrecognized members" category. - [[User:MrJoCrafter|MrJoCrafter]] [[User talk:MrJoCrafter|(talk)]] 22:57, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
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